MINDinMIND LEGACY INTERVIEWS & MASTERCLASSES
The Alicia Lieberman Legacy Series
On Love, Hate, and Nurturing the Impulse to Repair
With special guests: Beatrice Beebe and Bessel van der Kolk
Legacy Interview: Thursday 3 December 2026
6–8pm UK / 1–3pm ET | 2-hour live online
Clinical Masterclass: Thursday 10 December 2026
5–9pm UK / 12–4pm ET | 4-hour live online
About this Series
A special two-part series featuring a Legacy Interview and a Clinical Masterclass
In this special two-part series, Jane O’Rourke explores the extraordinary life and thinking of Alicia Lieberman, a leading figure in infant mental health and co-developer of Child-Parent Psychotherapy (CPP). Joining Alicia for her Legacy Interview are Beatrice Beebe and Bessel van der Kolk as special guests.
Alicia’s work has changed how we understand trauma in babies and young children, how painful experiences can shape relationships across generations, and why it matters to speak with children about frightening experiences that adults may struggle to acknowledge.
Alicia speaks to the darker aspects of our emotional lives, including aggression, hatred, disappointment and jealousy – even within our closest relationships. Drawing on psychoanalysis, attachment theory and decades of clinical work, Alicia challenges idealised views of parenthood and attachment. We can love someone deeply and still have feelings towards them that frighten or shame us. For a young child, this can be especially painful when the person they depend on for love and protection is also someone they fear.
For Alicia, mature love emerges from our capacity to integrate contradictory feelings that gives us the ability to tolerate ambivalence. She sees our inner lives as a chiaroscuro, an interplay of light and shadow. She encourages us to accept the shadow and to ‘look for the light to enrich that love: the sources of joy and the protective impulses that can survive painful experiences and through which repair and emotional growth become possible.’
At the heart of both events are the stories of two families Alicia worked with, whose experiences stayed with her and helped shape her clinical thinking.
The Legacy Interview will explore Alicia’s life, the relationships and experiences that shaped her, and how her ideas have developed over the course of her career. Through the stories of these two families, we’ll discover what she learnt from the children and parents, and how they challenged her assumptions. Beatrice Beebe and Bessel van der Kolk will bring their own perspectives on Alicia’s contribution to the field, drawing on their work in early relationships and psychological trauma.
In the Clinical Masterclass, we’ll return to the same families, this time looking closely at what actually happened in therapy. Alicia will take us through her clinical thinking, how she responded to the children and parents, the decisions she made along the way, what helped bring about change and where therapy reached its limits.
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Legacy Interview
Thursday 3 December 2026
- 2-hour live Legacy Interview
- With Beatrice Beebe and Bessel van der Kolk
£45.00
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Legacy Interview and Clinical Masterclass
- Legacy Interview on 3 December 2026
- Clinical Masterclass on 10 December 2026
- Access to Alicia’s original 2022 interview
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Thursday 10 December 2026
- 4-hour live Clinical Masterclass
- Detailed Child-Parent Psychotherapy case material
- 4-hour CPD/CE
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Thursday 3 December 2026 | 6–8pm UK / 1–3pm ET | 2-hour live online
Alicia Lieberman in conversation with Jane O’Rourke, with special guests Beatrice Beebe and Bessel van der Kolk
Jane O’Rourke will explore Alicia’s life and the development of her ideas, beginning with her childhood in Paraguay and the experiences that shaped her understanding of human suffering.
We will hear about the people who influenced her thinking, including Mary Ainsworth, Selma Fraiberg and Stanley Greenspan.
Alicia will also speak about losing her young sister in childhood and about the death of her close colleague Patricia Van Horn, co-developer of Child-Parent Psychotherapy, and the unexpected connections she has found between these two experiences of grief.
Two families had a lasting influence on Alicia’s thinking, helping shape her therapeutic approach.
Tanya and Jody: A traumatised mother who loved her two-year-old daughter but struggled to keep her safe, confronted Alicia with the painful limits of what love and psychotherapy could achieve.
Eva and Sean: Expecting their first baby, Eva was terrified she might repeat the violence of her past, raising the question of how frightening impulses can coexist with a parent’s wish to love and protect their child.
(Names and identifying details have been changed.)
Joining Alicia will be Beatrice Beebe and Bessel van der Kolk, who come to early relationships and trauma from different directions. Beatrice will speak from her research on how babies and mothers communicate in the first year, and Bessel from his work on how trauma affects the body and a child’s development.
We will also explore how Alicia’s thinking has developed over her career.
- Beyond attachment security
Alicia studied with Mary Ainsworth, whose work gave us the original attachment classifications, but her own interest has gone beyond security to infantile aggression, ambivalence, and defenses against unconscious conflicts. She respects the attachment classifications as useful tools for observation and research but wants us to be cautious about their clinical limitations. Where does she think attachment theory needs to develop? - What the biology tells us
A 2026 study co-authored by Alicia found lower levels of epigenetic age acceleration among children receiving CPP than in a matched comparison group. What might these biological findings tell us about the effects of psychotherapy, and what questions remain unanswered? - Across cultures and settings
What has Alicia learned from her recent work on implementation about applying therapeutic thinking in different cultures and settings? - Social justice and psychotherapy
Alicia’s writing increasingly addresses what war, displacement, racism, violence and institutional responses do to families, and how hard it is to acknowledge another person’s suffering when it threatens our own sense of identity. How does this shape the way she works with one child and one parent?
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Speaking the Unspeakable: The Clinical Craft of Child-Parent Psychotherapy
Thursday 10 December 2026 | 5–9pm UK / 12–4pm ET | 4-hour live online
In this Masterclass, Alicia will take us inside Child-Parent Psychotherapy (CPP), the model she developed for working with young children and their parents after trauma. She will take us through the therapeutic work itself with two families, Tanya and Jody, and Eva and Sean, whom she also discusses in the Legacy Interview. Drawing on detailed case material, she will explore how she makes sense of unconscious conflict, works with parental defences and decides what to say, when to intervene and when to wait.
What does a therapist do when a mother loves her two-year-old daughter but cannot keep her safe? What do we do when a woman expecting her first baby is terrified that she might harm her unborn baby?
The two cases raise different clinical questions. With Eva and Sean, we will look at how frightening Eva’s impulses during her first pregnancy were understood and what lay beneath them. With Tanya and two year old Jody, we will examine the difficult judgements clinicians must make when a child’s safety is at stake, including the limits of therapeutic intervention and the responsibilities that extend beyond the consulting room.
The Masterclass will explore:
- How Child-Parent Psychotherapy works: The core clinical ideas behind CPP, including how Alicia formulates what has happened to the child and why fear and anger now show up as they do.
- Treating parent and child together: Working with the relationship as the organizing focus of therapy while helping parents recognise how their own history is re-enacted with the baby, including shame, aggression, ambivalence and negative transference.
- Frightening thoughts and the wish to protect: How to assess risk and understand the meaning of violent thoughts and impulses in pregnancy, and how to recognise protective wishes beneath them.
- When repair is not enough to keep a child safe: The limits of therapy, how clinicians decide when safety must take priority, and the responsibilities that lie beyond the consulting room.
- Listening to children and speaking the unspeakable: Understanding what children communicate through play, behaviour and bodily responses, and how to find words for frightening experiences without overwhelming either child or parent.
- From ghosts to angels: How therapy can help parents and children recognise painful repetitions, draw on experiences of love and protection, and find new ways of relating, even when adversity continues.
Through detailed clinical cases, the Masterclass will help clinicians recognise how trauma appears in young children’s behaviour and relationships, work with parental fear, shame and defences, and find ways to address painful experiences without overwhelming children or parents. Alicia will show how she makes therapeutic decisions in the moment, including when to speak, when to wait and when a child’s safety requires more than therapy alone.
About Alicia Lieberman
Alicia Lieberman, PhD, has spent more than four decades listening to babies, young children and their parents, helping us understand how babies and young children experience fear, love, anger and loss, and how relationships can become a source of repair after trauma.
Alicia is a psychologist and psychoanalytic clinician and one of the people who helped to establish infant mental health as a field. Her work has challenged the assumption that very young children are too young to remember or be deeply affected by frightening experiences, and has helped to change how clinicians recognise and respond to their distress.
She is Professor Emerita of Psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), where she holds the Irving B. Harris Endowed Chair in Infant Mental Health. She founded the UCSF Child Trauma Research Program and is a past president of ZERO TO THREE.
Alicia was born and raised in Paraguay and took her first degree at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. She completed her PhD at Johns Hopkins University with Mary Ainsworth, then worked with Selma Fraiberg, one of the founders of infant mental health. She describes herself as both Paraguayan and Jewish, and believes the histories of war and genocide in both cultures help explain why reality matters so much to her.
With Patricia Van Horn, she developed Child-Parent Psychotherapy (CPP), a treatment for children from birth to five who have experienced trauma. It works with the relationship between child and parent, not the child alone. Drawing on psychoanalysis, attachment theory and developmental research, it looks at how traumatic experiences affect that relationship and how it can become a source of safety and repair. CPP has been tested in randomised trials and is used in many countries.
Her books include The Emotional Life of the Toddler, written for general readers, and, with colleagues, Don’t Hit My Mommy!, Psychotherapy with Infants and Young Children and Make Room for Baby. Selma Fraiberg described the ghosts in the nursery, the unresolved pain of a parent’s past that returns with their baby. Alicia and her colleagues added the angels: the memories of being loved and protected that parents also carry.
Her awards include the René Spitz Award from the World Association for Infant Mental Health and the ZERO TO THREE Lifetime Achievement Award.
Running through her career is a conviction that young children can be spoken to directly about what has happened to them.
Returning to Alicia Lieberman
Alicia was one of MINDinMIND’s earliest Legacy Interview guests. We recorded that conversation on 24 May 2022, when our audience was much smaller and the format was still taking shape. Four years on, we are pleased to welcome her back to a much wider community for a conversation about her life, her clinical work and the way her thinking has developed.
Series Pass ticket holders also have access to the 2022 interview, in which Alicia speaks about ghosts and angels in the nursery, her love of toddlers and the origins of Child-Parent Psychotherapy.
“When faced with shadow, with darkness, with pain, we need to acknowledge it, to take it seriously, and also to look for the light and repair. There is beauty everywhere and immediately goodness emerges if one just looks for it.”
Dr Alicia Lieberman
Special guests
Beatrice Beebe
Beatrice Beebe, PhD, has spent more than fifty years studying how babies and their mothers communicate, long before children have words. Her research has shown just how much can happen in a glance, a movement or a fleeting expression, and how these early exchanges help shape a child's developing sense of self and relationships with others.
A practising psychoanalyst and clinical psychologist, Beatrice is Clinical Professor of Medical Psychology at Columbia University and directs a research laboratory on mother-infant communication at the New York State Psychiatric Institute.
Using video microanalysis, Beatrice has been able to study interactions that happen too quickly for us to notice in everyday life. By filming mothers and babies together and examining their exchanges frame by frame, she has shown how patterns of communication at four months can predict attachment at twelve months. Her research has also explored how these early interactions relate to attachment in adulthood, and how maternal depression, anxiety and trauma affect communication between parent and child.
Following the attacks of 11 September 2001, Beatrice directed a decade-long pro bono project supporting women who were pregnant and widowed by the attacks, while also studying their babies' development.
With her longtime collaborator, psychoanalyst Frank Lachmann, she has explored what the study of early communication and mutual regulation can teach us about the relationship between patient and therapist. She is the author or co-author of six books, including The Mother-Infant Interaction Picture Book: Origins of Attachment (2016).
Beatrice joined MINDinMIND for her own Legacy Interview in February 2024. She returns as Alicia's special guest to reflect on Alicia's contribution to our understanding of early relationships and trauma. Drawing on her own research, she will help us explore what happens between parent and baby before words are possible, and what this reveals about the effects of trauma and the possibilities for repair.
Bessel van der Kolk
Bessel van der Kolk, MD, has spent much of his career trying to understand why terrifying experiences can continue to shape people's lives long after the danger has passed. His work has helped change how we understand trauma, showing that its effects are not confined to memories or thoughts but can also be expressed through the body, emotions and relationships.
A psychiatrist and trauma researcher, Bessel is Professor of Psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine. He co-founded the Trauma Center and later established the Trauma Research Foundation, bringing together clinical practice, research and education to improve treatment for people affected by traumatic experiences.
His interest in trauma began with his work with Vietnam veterans in the late 1970s. Listening to men whose experiences of war continued to intrude into their everyday lives led him to question established psychiatric approaches and investigate why traumatic memories, bodily reactions and feelings of danger can persist despite attempts to put the past behind them.
Over the following decades, he became an influential figure in the development of trauma research and treatment. He helped initiate the work that led to the establishment of the National Child Traumatic Stress Network in 2000. With colleagues, he also drew on clinical data from approximately 20,000 children to develop the proposed diagnosis of Developmental Trauma Disorder, arguing that repeated exposure to trauma during childhood can affect emotional regulation, relationships, attention and the developing sense of self in ways not adequately captured by existing diagnoses. The proposal was not adopted into DSM-5.
Bessel is the author of the international bestseller The Body Keeps the Score (2014) and co-editor of Traumatic Stress (1996). He has helped clinicians take seriously the ways traumatic experience can continue to affect the body and relationships.
Bessel joined MINDinMIND as a special guest for Pat Ogden's Legacy Interview in January 2026. He returns to reflect on Alicia's contribution to the wider field of trauma treatment, particularly how she helped clinicians recognise the effects of trauma in babies and young children, and why working with the child's caregiving relationships is so important.
Who this series is for
- Infant mental health, parent–infant and child and family therapists working with early relationships.
- Psychotherapists, psychoanalysts, psychologists and counsellors working with love, aggression and ambivalence.
- Clinicians working with trauma, intergenerational patterns and relational repair.
- Perinatal professionals supporting parents affected by childhood trauma.
- Social workers and safeguarding professionals working in child safety.
- CPP practitioners and clinicians interested in Alicia’s approach.
- Trainees, students and researchers interested in attachment, psychoanalysis and infant mental health.
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